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	<title>Comments on: Review: The Folded Leaf by William Maxwell</title>
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		<title>By: Tigger</title>
		<link>http://speakitsname.com/2009/06/01/review-the-folded-leaf-by-william-maxwell/#comment-6207</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Carol that the ending seems false.  I interpreted the ending as suggesting that Lymie would put aside the &#039;follies&#039; of his childhood and find a future in a conventional heterosexual relationship with Hope (symbolically named).  But as a gay man myself that seems to be a cop out.  No doubt Maxwell felt himself to be constrained by the oppressive conventions of the society in which he wrote, and was unable or unwilling to challenge that oppression by presenting a future for Lymie in which he honestly accepted and continued to live the realities of his personality.  But that seems to me to be a weakness of the book (which I agree is beautiful, poignant, and a true work of art) and a moral failure on the part of Maxwell.  

I remember &#039;Despised and Rejected&#039; (Christina Rossetti) which also deals with oppression, but rises to the challenge with authenticy (at the price of being banned in Britain).  Mary Renault&#039;s &#039;Charioteer&#039; also seems more honest in this regard.  Reading the Leaf suggested a strange parallel with Huck Finn.  As Twain wants Jim to achieve his freedom, so Maxwell wants to assert the possibility and beauty of homosexual (or at least homophilic) love, but in neither case is the author prepared to challenge the oppressive society in which they live and write, and which denies the possibility of these things.  Jim is not freed by escaping to the north, but is legally manumitted in the widow&#039;s will, while Lymie &#039;grows out of&#039; his homosexual phase and miraculously becomes &#039;normal&#039;.  Both seem to be inadequate critiques of oppression, which I would prefer to see being challenged and resisted.  I do not understand the frame of mind which wants to write about oppression without challenging it in anything more than a lilly-livered way.

A friend with whom I discussed the book saw Lymie&#039;s future as being a bachelor academic like the characters in the book with whom he is compared, so other interpretations can be argued for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Carol that the ending seems false.  I interpreted the ending as suggesting that Lymie would put aside the &#8216;follies&#8217; of his childhood and find a future in a conventional heterosexual relationship with Hope (symbolically named).  But as a gay man myself that seems to be a cop out.  No doubt Maxwell felt himself to be constrained by the oppressive conventions of the society in which he wrote, and was unable or unwilling to challenge that oppression by presenting a future for Lymie in which he honestly accepted and continued to live the realities of his personality.  But that seems to me to be a weakness of the book (which I agree is beautiful, poignant, and a true work of art) and a moral failure on the part of Maxwell.  </p>
<p>I remember &#8216;Despised and Rejected&#8217; (Christina Rossetti) which also deals with oppression, but rises to the challenge with authenticy (at the price of being banned in Britain).  Mary Renault&#8217;s &#8216;Charioteer&#8217; also seems more honest in this regard.  Reading the Leaf suggested a strange parallel with Huck Finn.  As Twain wants Jim to achieve his freedom, so Maxwell wants to assert the possibility and beauty of homosexual (or at least homophilic) love, but in neither case is the author prepared to challenge the oppressive society in which they live and write, and which denies the possibility of these things.  Jim is not freed by escaping to the north, but is legally manumitted in the widow&#8217;s will, while Lymie &#8216;grows out of&#8217; his homosexual phase and miraculously becomes &#8216;normal&#8217;.  Both seem to be inadequate critiques of oppression, which I would prefer to see being challenged and resisted.  I do not understand the frame of mind which wants to write about oppression without challenging it in anything more than a lilly-livered way.</p>
<p>A friend with whom I discussed the book saw Lymie&#8217;s future as being a bachelor academic like the characters in the book with whom he is compared, so other interpretations can be argued for.</p>
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		<title>By: Erastes</title>
		<link>http://speakitsname.com/2009/06/01/review-the-folded-leaf-by-william-maxwell/#comment-3933</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 16:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good point!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point!</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Jules</title>
		<link>http://speakitsname.com/2009/06/01/review-the-folded-leaf-by-william-maxwell/#comment-3932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carol Jules]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just finished &quot;The Folded Leaf&quot; and was mystified by the cover blurb written at time of first publication.  It bore little resemblance to the story I read, carefully skirting the homosexual feelings expressed so clearly in the novel.  I found no convincing evidence that Lymie was &quot;in love&quot; with Sally and plenty to suggest that he desired Spud.  The ending - Hope Davison waiting in the wings - seemed tacked on and false.  It is an interesting contrast to &quot;Brokeback Mountain&quot; which is honest and compassionate about the relationship it describes and strikes a truer note.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished &#8220;The Folded Leaf&#8221; and was mystified by the cover blurb written at time of first publication.  It bore little resemblance to the story I read, carefully skirting the homosexual feelings expressed so clearly in the novel.  I found no convincing evidence that Lymie was &#8220;in love&#8221; with Sally and plenty to suggest that he desired Spud.  The ending &#8211; Hope Davison waiting in the wings &#8211; seemed tacked on and false.  It is an interesting contrast to &#8220;Brokeback Mountain&#8221; which is honest and compassionate about the relationship it describes and strikes a truer note.</p>
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		<title>By: Erastes</title>
		<link>http://speakitsname.com/2009/06/01/review-the-folded-leaf-by-william-maxwell/#comment-1320</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Helen, nice to see you, and I hope you enjoy it!

Thanks, Mark - at the moment I&#039;m just wading through The List (although my library lets me down 4 times out of ten) but when I was setting The List up, I scoured Amazon for everything that had any tags for gay or historical - I&#039;m sure there will be more yet to be discovered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Helen, nice to see you, and I hope you enjoy it!</p>
<p>Thanks, Mark &#8211; at the moment I&#8217;m just wading through The List (although my library lets me down 4 times out of ten) but when I was setting The List up, I scoured Amazon for everything that had any tags for gay or historical &#8211; I&#8217;m sure there will be more yet to be discovered.</p>
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		<title>By: markprobst</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 20:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where do you dig these up? Incredible how much coded pre-stonewall stuff there is out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do you dig these up? Incredible how much coded pre-stonewall stuff there is out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Helen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice piece, I will get a copy of that book when I get home to my trusted computer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice piece, I will get a copy of that book when I get home to my trusted computer.</p>
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